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#20264 - 02/02/05 02:59 AM Re: Penta Water
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Can you site any of this research? Penta water is made and bottled in Carlsbad not too far from you or I. Although they use their own specially made bottles, they're still flexible plastic, which is arguably cancer causing. You'd think for the price they are charging they'd at least put it in a glass bottle, if your health was their main concern and not $. I'm still open minded, please point me to some research on this. Frankly I find it hard to believe that physicians are doing research on water, thought that was a scientist or chemist area of expertise. Anyway, I'd like to read up on this research, post it when you've gotten your hands on it.
Keith.

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#20265 - 02/02/05 04:46 AM Re: Penta Water
Jr88 Offline
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Registered: 03/13/04
Posts: 36
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
I don't think this debate will ever die...

you can find some people that will swear by one way, others that are on another planet...

here is an interesting site
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html

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#20266 - 02/02/05 02:25 PM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 01/16/04
Posts: 1449
Loc: Richmond, VA, USA
My choice of user name has no bearing whatsoever on my ability to evaluate science. That is what I am trained to do. I teach physiology for a living. I have a masters degree in physiology. Every 10 week quarter, I spend probably 4 WEEKS discussing how water enters and leaves cells, in what quantities, and the effect on things like blood pressure and viscosity and thirst and urine concentration and volume.

I had no trouble at all pulling up medline/pubmed and looking for an article on clustered water. Would you know, there ISN'T A SINGLE SCIENTIFIC STUDY that supports the claims made by the Penta Water people? The only support I could find for it was from sites that were SELLING the product.

If you want to spend the money on this product, be my guest. More power to you. But I suggest you try this:

Buy the Penta Water and some plain distilled water. Have someone in the house pour one of them each into its own pitcher, labeled A. Have them take the other bottle out of the house so that you don't know which it is. Use A for 2 weeks. Keep the same regimen - if you choose to drink 8oz a day, stay with that. Don't change it. Write down any changes you feel in your body. At the end of 2 weeks, take a week off. Repeat with bottle B for 2 weeks. Write down the changes you feel. At the end of the experiment, compare your notes. Once you feel you have a result - both the same, no effect, A is better or B is better, then have your friend tell you which product was the plain water and which was the Penta water.

You know, I wish there really was some miracle cure out there. I have done some really deep thinking since my son was born with this disorder. I would have them transplant the skin off my back if it would help my son's hands and feet. I would undergo IVF to generate embryonic stem cells so we could grow genetic sibling skin and find the gene that causes our particular disorder so that he won't pass it on to his own children. I would do a lot of things to help him. But I won't waste my money on junk science.

Jennifer
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Husband, Nathan - 10, Elliot - 7, Oliver - 4, all affected.
I also have an unaffected daughter, age 8.


email: jennifer at confettiskin dot com
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#20267 - 03/01/05 07:55 AM Re: Penta Water
oh my gosh Offline
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Registered: 03/01/05
Posts: 3
Loc: Denver, Co
Jennifer... before you give out some testing... do some research. I saw this Nobel Laureate, Physics guy answer questions about this on the following webpage... what's your background again?
http://www.vivowater.com/vivo_faq.html

Most important part to point out... not to be taken like normal water.

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#20268 - 03/01/05 04:26 PM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 01/16/04
Posts: 1449
Loc: Richmond, VA, USA
sigh...another first time poster.

So the Nobel winning physicist states in your link that water can have a structure. Okay, I can agree with that. Water is unique in that it regularly forms and unforms in various structures. He didn't say anything that isn't common knowledge among scientists.

HOWEVER, that statement does utterly nothing to support the idea that water in a special product will STAY in a particular structure.

HOWEVER, the physicist's statement does nothing to support one other known concept: life has been on this planet and doing just fine for nearly 3 billion years with just plain old water. Our bodies evolved in the presence of normal water. The other Nobel guy, mentioned above, pointed out that our bodies have evolved specific types of pores that control how much or how little water can cross into or out of cell membranes.

And 3rd, once again, you pull your support for this product off of a website that is SELLING it. How is that any different for getting your facts about the Atkins diet or some random diet pill off the website selling it? Do you think maybe that what is posted MIGHT be biased in favor of the product, and not the whole story, and that it MIGHT be an all-out fabrication?

Do your own research. Look through the scientific journal abstracts. There is NOTHING that supports this. Here, I'll get you started:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

Just let this product die, already.
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Jennifer
Ichthyosis-en-Confetti Type 2
Husband, Nathan - 10, Elliot - 7, Oliver - 4, all affected.
I also have an unaffected daughter, age 8.


email: jennifer at confettiskin dot com
facebook - find me on "ichthyosis mommy spot" or "friends of ichthyosis"

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#20269 - 03/02/05 06:55 AM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 03/01/05
Posts: 3
Loc: Denver, Co
I was sitting in a meeting a few days ago when one of the ladies leading the meeting said.. Vitamins are just a waste of time... all the information on the market are from people who are selling it... duh... but isn't that the case when someone invents a product. I am confused by your unwillingness to look at something outside the box... isn't that how new things begin... why not let people try this water and see what happens. I personally know some people who are looking into this technology and testing it. One thing they have said is so far it really works. Do you know anyone that is testing it? please don't take offense, but who gives you the right to say what's good or not?

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#20270 - 03/02/05 07:02 AM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 03/01/05
Posts: 3
Loc: Denver, Co
Sorry you got me ramped up...

Sonia... from what I have heard you need to drink it very slow or it won't affect you and you won't notice the benefits. In a few months I should have some more data to give you, that might help your cause. Be patient. Just do not drink the water likes its normal water. Small amounts of hours.

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#20271 - 03/02/05 07:18 PM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 01/16/04
Posts: 1449
Loc: Richmond, VA, USA
Oh my gosh - I have a few questions for you:

1. What is YOUR background?
2. Since this is the only thread you have posted on, do you actually have ichthyosis, or are you a distributor of this highly incredulous product?
3. Are you a troll?
4. Can you explain to me some of the science that you don't think I understand?
5. Can you explain the difference between pseudoscience and actual science?
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Jennifer
Ichthyosis-en-Confetti Type 2
Husband, Nathan - 10, Elliot - 7, Oliver - 4, all affected.
I also have an unaffected daughter, age 8.


email: jennifer at confettiskin dot com
facebook - find me on "ichthyosis mommy spot" or "friends of ichthyosis"

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#20272 - 03/02/05 07:27 PM Re: Penta Water
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Registered: 01/16/04
Posts: 1449
Loc: Richmond, VA, USA
By the way, the vitamin lady at your meeting is incorrect. There are lots of scientific studies to be found about the value of nearly all the vitamins and minerals. We for the most part know what they do, what cells they act in, and what happens if there is a deficiency or an overabundance of any given mineral or vitamin.

She is correct, however, that most of the info you can find on vitamins is found on marketing sites.

The difference between a vitamin and this special water is that there is no credible science to back up the claims made by the patent holder. It sounds good in theory, but the reality is that all of the processes they put water through basically gives you distilled water when they are done.

And incidentally, the patent states that they dilute the resulting product by 10 to the 3rd power to 10 to the 20th power before they sell it to you.

So what that means is that Penta water contains between (1/1000 clustered molecules and 999/1000 distilled water) and (1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 clustered molecules and 99,999,999,999,999,999,999/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 distilled water molecules). So what you spent $50 dollars on is 99.9% distilled water.

More power to you.

Editted to add this link: http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusterpats.html


[This message has been edited by Hearsay (edited March 02, 2005).]
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Jennifer
Ichthyosis-en-Confetti Type 2
Husband, Nathan - 10, Elliot - 7, Oliver - 4, all affected.
I also have an unaffected daughter, age 8.


email: jennifer at confettiskin dot com
facebook - find me on "ichthyosis mommy spot" or "friends of ichthyosis"

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#20273 - 03/11/05 09:22 PM Re: Penta Water
open minded Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 1
Loc: Indinapolis, IN,USA
hearsay,

you must be a real nut cass, to be so closed minded about science and still be a so called teacher.
What exactly are you teaching children??
how to be a good little socialist and do not try or look at anything else that might work?
You claim to have knowledge and are hammering people about h2o6 yet you have no supporting evidence about it?
I really feel sorry for your (probably Democrat) thoughts and the fact you arfe affecting children in the USA and the world.
Since you are probably divorced or on 2 or more marriages at this point, take some time off and get your own life in order before you start screwing up visionaries!
H2O6 is a real thing and for those of you getting ready to try it or use it, you will see a difference!
There is supporting sites and medical facts concerning cell hydration.
as for hearsay-- he probably doesn't think we went to the moon either> LOL
Weight loss, better health, and increased awareness is some of the benifits.
Just remember you have to flush your toxins and drink according to the instructions.
I do not drink Penta, I drink another brand. They all are about the same instructions though, small amounts every 20 minutes or so for 2-3 days to initially hydrate yourself then a routine according to your activity level.
Hey Teach why don't you next try and let everyone know about h3o since you are so "UP" on water. explain the benifits and downfalls to this and if it "really" exists?
signed
sorry for the teacher!

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